it's not all about us, even though north korea uses us to rally domestic morale, he understands, he understands. the key player in the region and certainly north korea is china. shares in north korea on one hand it doesn't want a unified korea, it doesn't want south korea to win or a u.s. ally right on its border, but on the other hand it's also getting impatient with north korea's belligerence and truculence. it's a military with a lot of starving people and if the regime collapses they're worried about millions coming cross, flooding across the river into china. the bottom line for us is this: we need to be the adult, the parent, not give in to the wild teenage tantrum. and not reward bad behavior. i don't care-- >> and, but i want to ask you about that. i mean, that's very hard for us, very hard for us to punish the people because obviously, we know it's the regime. how can we deprive the starving poverty stricken people of food? >> by not giving them food. alis alisyn, look, i don't want anybody starving, i don't like this, but we americans think there's always a good solution if we can onl